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Reminder [Mar. 23rd, 2005|02:45 pm]
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This is just a reminder to anyone interested in joining the community, and in particular to anyone who may have submitted a request to join but not yet been added, that you need to send me an introductory e-mail explaining your background and interest in the topic of the community before you will be added. Current, about 80% of the people who submit request to join don't do this.

Occasionally, I add them anyway, if their userinfo page is sufficiently informative that I can get a solid impression that they're serious about the subject, or if I've seen their posts in other communities and have a good impression of them from there. But generally, no e-mail = not added.

However, it's also worth mentioning that e-mail isn't infallible. As of this writing, I believe that I've added everyone who actually has e-mailed me introducing themselves, but if anyone out there has e-mailed me and still not been added, it's possible that either (a) your e-mail did not get through for some reason, or (b) I have somehow managed to overlook it, so if you do e-mail and don't find yourself added within a few days, please feel free to drop me a line again.
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Tales in the original Gaeilge or Gàidhlig? [Mar. 12th, 2005|05:56 pm]
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Anyone know where I can find this tale: The Horned Women in the original Irish?

It appears, with slight variations, in many collections of Irish tales and on the web. But I can't seem to find the original. If any of you know, it would be a great help to me (and you'll get a research credit). Or if you have it around and could answer a brief question for me, that would be fabulous, too.

There's also a tale I've read about someone following a ball of sticky thread or yarn, given to them by a Hag, but can't seem to find it here. The hero follows the unrolling ball of thread much the way CuChulainn follows the apple to Scathach. I think there are also three sisters the hero meets, one after another, at different points along the journey. If anyone recalls which tale this is, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance!

crossposted to my journal, cr_r, celticastudica, celticmyths, fairy_lore, gaeilge, gaidhlig (sorry, casting a wide net)
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The Scary Faeries [Feb. 24th, 2005|05:04 am]
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[Current Mood |awakeawake]

"Mother may I go out to swim?"
"Yes, my darling daughter.
Hang your clothes on an Alder limb,
And don't go near the water."

I've only seen this "chant" online, but I have never seen it referenced in any book or anything. Would anyone know where I could find this, at all?

Hiya, folks - quick intro (since I should be getting ready for work, but...): I'm a big fan of the original Grimm's faery tales and all those gory bits. The "real" faery stories that were meant to scare us into behaving and keeping children from getting themselves killed or whatever. Not so much of the Disney-fied versions, but I will be kind and say I suppose they have their place, too. (big fan of Women Who Run With the Wolves, too)

Anyway, I am looking for a lil' more substantial background on Peg Powler, aka Nelly Longarms, or any Water Hag, really. Of course, I've only found passages here and there - and snippets on the 'net - but is there anything else I should be reading? Water-phobia books or something? I'm getting desperate.

Once I have a little more free time, I'll do a proper introduction (and come up with a dozen or so questions/discussions) but for now, that will do. (Hi, it's nice to meet everyone and I hope I can help contribute as much - or more - as I ask for.) :)
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R. J. Stewart's Earthlight [Feb. 23rd, 2005|12:19 am]
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I'm currently rereading R.J. Stewart's EARTHLIGHT and am trying to filter his theories through my own background study and knowledge.

He points out that while fairies exist in one form or other in different cultures, that each culture imbeds them in a different cosmology.

His cosmology places the fey folk in the Underworld.

I'm a Germanic Heathen. In my tradition, the equivalent of the fairies would be the Light Alves--the Shining Ones, as fair to look upon as the Sun. They live in Light Elf Home, in the Upperworld, above Midgard. It makes sense, seeing as they are beings of light. The Dark Elves, also called the Dwarves, live in the Underworld below Midgard and are said to be found deep in caverns and mines. That also makes sense.

My question: are Stewart's views of the fairies based on folklore, UPG, or on some traceable mythic tradition rooted in traditional Irish/Scottish/Welsh myth and cosmology? I wish I had a Celtic recon person to compare notes with.

The Germanic tradition overlaps in so many places with the Celtic lore. It seems almost strange that the Germanic view would place the Elves in the Upperworld while the Celts would place the Fae Folk in the Underworld. Would Celtic recons consider Stewart a reliable expert on this lore?

Or does Stewart conflate the fairies with the dead ancestors in the Lower World--the equivalent of the Ancestors in Helheim in Heathen cosmology?
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I'm curious about something. [Feb. 8th, 2005|06:41 pm]
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[Current Mood |curiouscurious]

We know that "fairy doctors" and "hedge witches" existed in the British Isles, well into the 1800's - and possibly later. And without a doubt, these people learned from their parents or grandparents, who learned from their grandparents, and so on, back to a time before Christianity was introduced.

So. Why do many scholars today, refuse to even consider the possibility that, somewhere, some one (or maybe more than one), TODAY, learned from their grandparents about a faith/practice/belief that comes from such a line? We're only talking about a couple of generations here.
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New Book by Mike Howard - Faery Beasts [Feb. 3rd, 2005|03:38 pm]
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[Current Mood |chipperchipper]
[Current Music |The Dead Can Dance - Fortune Presents Gifts]

How do Folks,

I received a notice from Capall Bann yesterday about new titles they are releasing and one of them may appeal to folks on this list. I've read some other works by Mike and found them to be well researched and very informative personally. I'll copy the info from the CB site below. I've already blown my book budget for the month (and this only the 3rd *grins*) so I can't order it quite yet. Perhaps if someone here does order it they will be so kind as to share first impressions and give us a review at their leisure.

Hart & Horn,



Faery Beasts and Animals of Legend

"A magical mystery tour of the mythical beasts of faery and the otherworlds. from dragons, unicorns and faery steeds to mythical birds, sea monsters, Green Men, Woodwoses, seal people and tree spirits. Our ancient ancestors believed in a plethora of mythical beasts. Many people over the centuries have claimed to have seen dragons, unicorns, mermaids and faery animals of all kinds. There are several historical accounts of encounters with dragons and even tales of unicorns being exhibited at royal courts. The last dragon described in the book was said to have been killed in West Wales as late as the 18th century. Even today in our technological world, we like to believe that there are still unknown, undiscovered animals roaming out there. Who knows? Perhaps our ancestors were right and we really do share the Earth with weird beasts we can only imagine in our wildest dreams or our worst nightmares.
ISBN 186163 2061"
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A research problem [Feb. 2nd, 2005|05:24 pm]
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This is a sort of crossover UPG question: the information I'm working from is UPG, I'm looking for research sources and other points of further information, and I hope that folks here might have some ideas on where to look.

Short version: I'm particularly interested in resources about British fae, and particularly anyone who's noted as a fae queen (or something vaquely equivalent). I've looked at the more obvious/better known names, and none of the have rung bells in this particular case.

The long version, for people prefer more data, or who may have specific suggestions from their own reading:

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The Fairy Faith in The Well of Light [Feb. 2nd, 2005|01:53 pm]
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[Current Mood |curiouscurious]
[Current Music |Fairport Convention - Tam Lin]

How do Folks,

R.J. Stewart's most recent book called the Well of Light draws attention to the concept of the Fairy Faith in his chapter about the Mystery of the Double Rose. Stewart encourages us to remember that the Fairy Faith (as it has been called since the publication of the book The Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries by Evan-Wentz) itself is not a philosophy or religion, that it is a practical tradition about the relationships between humanity, other orders of life and the planets.

He reiterates that there is no actual worship or faith embodied in the Fairy Faith, that there are indeed interactions, well-defined customs and practices but no rigid dogma, no Priests or Priestesses. The actual Faery tradition is an amalgam of several strands of ancient magigal traditions that has as practitioners, seers, healers, storytellers etc.. There is no absolute hierarchy, no authority, no edifices, no temples, rulebooks or liturgies of which he is quite thankful *g. (pages 115 - 116).

While I agree on the surface with what Stewart says I still tend to refer to what I practice myself personally as being part and parcel of the Fairy Faith (or Faery Faith, I tend to use the term Fairy when referring to the Disneyized sprites and such and the word Faery for more esoteric references) despite Stewart's claim that the term itself is really a misnomer, do you term what you do and your relationship with the denizens of the Faerie world as belonging to the Fairy Faith?



*With us is the Grace of the Shining Ones in the Mystery of Earth Light. Peace to all Signs and Shadows, Radiant Light to all Ways of Darkness, and the Living One of Light, Secret Unknown, Forever...*

--R.J. Stewart from the Well of Light
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(no subject) [Jan. 25th, 2005|11:43 am]
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[Current Mood |peacefulpeaceful]
[Current Music |Paul Schwartz - "Nevermore"]

Since I have determined it safe to venture forth into actually participating in the world of fairy-lore...:)
'Ello. I'm eighteen, only an angsty teenager on occasion, and am a die-hard History geek. (Hence why I decided to take on a second major of that same subject in addition to my Creative Writing major, which is why I came to my university in the first place.) When I go for fairy lore, as it were, I tend to drool the most over the classics--the Grimms Brothers' compilation, and Andersen's tales, and poetry from earlier centuries. As I mentioned in my comment on the thread about recommendations, I feel that it's important to read those stories, because of the insight you can gain into the culture that spawned them. Thus, you might see me referencing those, or some of my favorite poems from the Renaissance concerning the Fey, on occasion.
Now here's my question for you: we have all read the accounts of seeing the Fey from centuries ago. At least, I assume we have...why else would we be here if we hadn't? The question is...what are your theories on how something someone saw--a flash of light, a strangely-shaped but more or less humanoid figure...evolve into these stories about entire groups of entities? Along those same lines...who first told these stories, and why did they do so? Entertainment? Understanding? What happened to make some strange sighting turn into such elaborate stories? And what were these people seeing? Were they truly Fey creatures, or was it some event that could easily be explained by science?
I'd like to know your thoughts on these. :) It might be a little redundant, but I'm feeling philosophical.
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Sources on Fairy Lore [Jan. 25th, 2005|02:20 am]
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[Current Music |Estampie - Ben e crudel]

What are everyone's favourite source books on fairy lore? I'm asking this partly with a view toward developing a recommended reading list for the community, partly for my own curiosity, and partly because I have a birthday coming up and would like to update my Amazon wish list. :-)

It's OK to include books that have some elements of UPG and personal belief/experience, as long as they're not too flaky, but please indicate them as such, to distinguish them from scholarly works.
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